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Lawmaker: It’s Okay To Aim Guns At Cops If They Aim At You First

Lawmaker: It’s Okay To Aim Guns At Cops If They Aim At You First

Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (R), who is currently seeking her party’s nomination for an open U.S. House seat, said last week that she believes the right to self defense includes the right to aim your gun anyone who aims a gun at you, even if they are a law enforcement officer.

In an interview with a local TV station last Sunday, Fiore attacked the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) as “a bureaucrat agency of terrorism.” Pressed by KLAS-8 host Steve Sebelius about whether she believes the Second Amendment grants citizens the right to point a weapon at a “duly authorized law enforcement officer who is just out there doing his job,” she said that self-defense includes the right to aim back at anyone who points a gun at you first — and to put your own life ahead of theirs.

“I would never ever point my firearm at anyone, including an officer of the law, unless they pointed their firearm at me,” Fiore explained. But, the assemblywoman continued, “once you point your firearm at me, I’m sorry, then it becomes self-defense. Whether you’re a stranger, a bad guy, or an officer, and you point your gun at me and you’re gonna shoot me and I have to decide whether it’s my life or your life, I choose my life.”

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295 Comments

  1. Samuel F Waddell

    If what this woman believes is true then there can be no law and order. The Police are God’s and the states protecters of the innocent and punishers of the guilty. Even in Romans chapter 13, the Bible declares it so. Common sense shows it to be so. If people cooperated with the police and were not law breakers nor resisting arrest with firearms then they would still be alive. That is my opinion on the matter.

  2. Troll Hunter

    She’s a Trump supporter. Trump supporters are the metamorphosis of liberalism to fascism. Agree with them or be destroyed. What’s reality is what they think it its.

  3. Thomas Reynolds

    I had a police woman pull a gun on me I had both hands in view. And she told to open the door I said. Fuk u butch u open it I’m not reaching for sht now I wonder does tht make me a a hole or her because honestly my safety comes before the law and she blocked my path of travel and never turned on blue lights tht means no video in the police cruiser if I had a gun I would have tried my hardest to kill her because u block my path run to my car without ur blue lights on I thought someone had puta hit on me with her telling me to reach out of her sight to grab something wile she points a gun at me lasty I was arrested for dus and failing to stop for a blue light place in jail for 3 days denied phone call my family had no idea ware I was I still think she was trying to kill me
    Here is me showing up to court for miner speeding or dus watereaver my sussumes said 10pm I show up but they were closed so give the judge the officer a fauile to opper for me plz

  4. Donald Ingram

    Who is this stupid bitch? You never point a gun at a law enforcement officer.

  5. ChuckfromTacoma

    So many have posted here about wrongful arrest, etc. Well, like shoplifting for a crook, wrongful arrest is not a capital crime. You can not “execute” a police officer for wrongful arrest just as that same police officer can not shoot you in the back of the head as you run out of the 7-11 with an unpaid for Snickers bar.
    Additionally, I learned very early in life that if you aim a gun at a police officer, you are very likely going to die. Your families lawyer has months and years to strategise for a solution to the situation where the LEO had two seconds to evaluate, stratigise and execute his or her solution. That solution likely includes fatal lead poisoning for you and a lot of extra hassle for police. Keep your gun in your holster, your hands visible and your next birthday on the calendar. Don’t listen to this woman that wants to replace Harry Reid.

  6. One who knows....

    Lady… You are inciting a riot!! Soo out in L field!! If you’d spen that much energy in being a model citizen, there would be no need to attack every person who opposes you w/ lethal force!! You need psych intervention!!

  7. Politicallypatriotic

    this is about as stupid as it gets…. we have a nation of idiots now… and they are running the asylum…. and it IS an asylum… she could be the poster child for either hank johnson of guam will flip over fame, or sheila jackson of I want the mars rover to go see where neil Armstrong walked… she IS that dumb! There is no doubt she is a qualified politician of the 21st century…

  8. Streetlaw1

    How stupid is this lady?

  9. Michael Cowan

    I hate cops. Any politician that is against cops gets my vote. Shut down the unions, cut budgets, remove.protections from civil liability.

    Cut force by 50% dont let them keep.money from fines, get rid of k9s,keep cops only for active shootings.

    Hire more detectives, hire more unarmed.traffic enforcement. More social workers,use the money to treat drug users.

    Cops are a blight on america.

  10. Luis Jimenez

    Once, I was taken in a State Trooper cruise from Clarksville VHC to Nashville VA Hospital. I was sitting in the back seat. While driving thru the city, the perception was, I must be a criminal. To surprise of some drivers, I broughtmy hands up and showed no handcuff. Now, I bet you, their view and/or opinion about me changed. Oh, he must be a Trooper or Detective. So, why you have to aim a fun to a civilian in the first place? Deadly force at once? Police is not above the law. They’re accountable of their actions under the US Constitution. They have no more Rights than any citizen in this countey. I respect the Police, but I don’t believe on surrounding my rights, because that’s why you go to court. We’re not cars that you impound and leave it in a lot until owner comes with the money and documents to be taken. If you arrest me, do it for a crime that is worth your time and my time lost. Give the summons, like if you get caught speeding. But speeding and ended up dead 3 days later in a cell for a broken stop light? Only in America. Perception is the difference between what’ is right or what’s wrong.

  11. Jim Kosty

    What’s wrong with her face? Looks like she has been worked over already! Maybe fell in a vat of acid?

  12. Marty Mackeever

    Dear Lord, please give this woman the opportunity. Thank you

  13. Allieicious

    I concur 100 percent.

  14. jim

    LOL, I know some people are just plain stupid but this idiot takes stupid to a new level. If anyone pointed a firearm at me while I was in uniform, they better squeeze it off before I do. And she’s not even a democrat. See, republicans can be just as stupid.

  15. jim

    LOL, What a friggin moron! Her statement is idiotic, and her anyone that can see her point is just as stupid. She wouldn’t get to pull the trigger if she pointed a weapon at me.

  16. WRLO56 .

    The only context I can think of in which you would be justified pointing a gun at a police officer would be if the officer were a serial rapist, like Henry Hubbard, Jr. But in that case, you’re not really pointing a gun at a police officer, you’re pointing it at a serial rapist; and somehow, I don’t think that is the context which this woman is speaking about.

  17. CrimsonKumiho

    Whether they’re police or not is kind of a mute point; If someone already has a gun pointed at you with their finger on the trigger, it’s a little late to draw your weapon. Regardless of who it is, assume you’ll be killed if you don’t comply when it’s escalated to that point. Even if it’s an unlawful arrest, better to prove that after the fact than to try reaching for something while staring down the barrel. Why lose your life or take another if you can both go home safely?

  18. Fat Dog

    who do you think will come to your door (Hope Not) and say we are here to collect your firearms. It won’t be the Easter Bunny. Do I think it will come to that…. No I don’t….. But I will never hand them over either.

    • Plutodog

      Any case where I can reasonably see that happening is in individual, specific cases where there may be good, legal reasoning for doing so. Should that happen to you and you refuse to hand them over, it could well be your last day above ground and that of LEO’s as well…a very stupid, irrational way to die.

  19. Karen Frahm

    You fail to realize that if a cop has his/her weapon pointed at you the best way to protect your life would be to follow their orders and after you can deal with the just or unjust actions taken. If you even attempt to pull a gun on an officer holding a gun at you, you will be shot.

  20. bobbyhonduras@yahoo.com

    She is exactly right. Len the Rancher who was shot law enforcement officers was murdered in cold blood. He was breaking no laws like the black rioters (obama’s children) in Ferguson were doing

    • Plutodog

      Obama’s children? You bigoted sack of irrational shit.

  21. cactuspie

    Gee Michele, I’m sure that’s how it works. Please demonstrate for me . . . soon.

  22. tonylocke

    Suppose a police officer forces his way into my home without a warrant? Am I obligated to allow that? I can name more than a few instances of police acting unlawfully, is the article insinuating I’m obliged to permit whatever actions those are?

    • Plutodog

      I dunno. Are you done living yet?

      • tonylocke

        Sorry your reply was too stupid for me to understand. Could you get someone with 50 more IQ points to write your response?

        • Plutodog

          Yeah, I wondered if you’d get that. Feel free to try that childish action you asked about if you’re feeling like your life is over.

          • tonylocke

            I guess you weren’t able to find anyone smarter than you. I understand, we don’t travel in the same circles. I never proposed an action, I asked a question: when a police officer is acting blatantly unlawfully, am I obliged to allow that to continue, no matter what that action is? You seem to be intimating, through your yelps and grunts, that I should, or I’ll be killed. If that’s the case, and you have any affiliation with law enforcement in any fashion, I’d like to know what organization you’re with, because where there’s one, there’s likely more.

          • Plutodog

            Given the folks you’re defending, I a) don’t imagine you’re likely to know what a blatantly unlawful act is from a LEO. And luckily for you, actual LEO’s will try to avoid shooting your dumb arse dead if possible. But pull a weapon and you have earned their right to make sure it’s YOU who takes a bullet, not THEM or other innocent parties. I’m fairly sure you’re not going to figure that out.

          • tonylocke

            You’re just not bright enough to understand the question. To a goon like you, ‘Freeze! Police!’ is a papal bull. Not so for men who don’t regard themselves as subjects. Get lost, robot.

          • Plutodog

            What a charmingly childish response. You idiots don’t own the word or the concept, “freedom” or “patriotism”. Your Oppositional Defiance Disorder display would probably be treatable if you want to live a longer, healthier life.

  23. Fixer_1

    I think that she really is a dumbcrat!

  24. Mark Williams

    The
    issue becomes never point your firearm at a LEO for unpholding the law
    in support of fighting crime, which I agree with, versus being obligated to point your
    firearm at a tyrannical Federal Agent who is clearly not upholding the
    Constitution or We the People! If you side with corruption and theft like Harry Reid, Obama, BLM & the Park Service, then I will protect myself and defend my property.

    • Plutodog

      That’s insanely false.

  25. Drew Croy

    Do we KNOW they are an officer of the law, or just some guy with a gun that happens to be a police officer? Makes all the difference in the world. On the one hand I would like to believe that a LEO wouldn’t point a gun at anyone unless they needed to protect themselves or the public. On the other hand if someone points a gun at me without provocation and has not identified themselves as a police officer I can see her point.

    I’m sure she’s just a moron but I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

    • Plutodog

      She’s long and well over her benefit of the doubt line.

      • Guardian

        There is an awesome quote by William McAfoo that I like to reference when dealing with these kind of people: “It is impssible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument”. Plutodog, you are wasting your time trying to convince these ignorant people to see the right side of anything. There is no state where it is lawful to resist arrest. Whether the arrest is lawful or a perceived unlawful arrest. Basically if these people try their antics with police they will find that if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

  26. Deputy Matt

    Holy crap these comments are filled with stupid statements made by people without the slightest legal understanding of police use of force, or self-defense, or the case law regarding either of those. Then throw in the people rambling on about “rogue cops randomly murdering people” and it just gets even scarier.

    The stupid is strong with many, many folks commenting here…

    • Allieicious

      The cop community should start policing their own better. Then we wouldn’t have to.

        • Allieicious

          Yeah, you do. To be fair, I think you are largely ignorant of the.law, and most certainly of the constitution.

          • Deputy Matt

            You got me there. I’ve been a cop 20 years, but know nothing about the law… Been a constitutional conservative my entire adult life, but know nothing of the constitution…

            Tell me, just what exactly did you base your conclusion regarding my lack of knowledge on?

  27. George Blair

    My local law enforcement =/= BLM. I get what she’s saying, she just didn’t say it very well.

  28. Tom Jones

    I agree that it is a bad idea to draw a weapon once you are already muzzles, because at that point the other guy, cop or not, is going to have the legal moral high ground of self defense. But she is referring to a different sort of circumstance.
    A badge DOES NOT confer an automatic righteousness to an individual! You cops here do not automatically become a more valuable life or hold a higher moral authority than anyone else, just because you wear a badge! I am sorry, but you folks are held to the SAME legal ground as civilians are when it comes to the deployment of a firearm.
    For example, is it legal for you to shoot an unarmed suspect in the back, as he or she is running away, and no longer presents a danger to your life? Of course not!! Cops are subject to those same rules of engagement as civilians under those circumstances..
    She is talking about the protest at the Bundy Ranch, which I would guess , none of you were there, and have only a very limited knowledge of what took place!
    When the protestors entered the wash that day; the BLM thugs already had their weapons trained on the protestors, and NOT at the “high-ready.” They were targeting unarmed men, women, and children who came to conduct a lawful 1st Amendment Protest, concerning the treatment of the protestors from a couple of days previously. To further compound the problem, they were announcing over the loud speakers that they were prepared to faire into the crowd. Every agent there had live ammo, and had been told they were to shoot into the crowd, when the orders were given.
    This is the postulation that she is making. Under these conditions, did those protesting have a right to self-defense? I think a strong case could be made that they did. There were NO BLM Agents under threat of a single protestor weapon, when people walked into the wash. However, approx. 5 individuals took up positions in cover once they saw how the BLM was playing the game!
    I believe this is the issue that she is talking about! I suggest some of you need to do your homework, before making these asinine statements!

    • Mark Williams

      Nevada is an Open Carry State. If I am carrying a firearm and I choose not to follow your unconstitutional orders, if I choose to defend myself from your lawless actions, if you let the dogs on me or try to tase me, I WILL defend myself from your aggression. Just because you are too scared to talk to me face to face and the Supreme Court has said you can lie but I cannot, does not mean I should cower in fear from you.

      • cactuspie

        If you’re concerned with the Constitution and law you must be aware its not for you to decide what it means. The law says that’s the court’s job. Sounds like you’re cherry picking law and constitutional matters to suit yourself.

        • James Andrews

          The constitution was written in plain English so it didn’t/doesn’t need interpretation. LEO for 9 years, P.O.S.T. certified instructor in constitutional law as it pertains to LE. It’s not that hard of a read and you swore an oath to uphold it

          • Plutodog

            You may or may not be a competent officer. But the officer out there enforcing the law does not need to be endlessly arguing the law with the citizen before they can arrest. THEN the court system decides what’s what.

          • James Andrews

            If the law is unconstitutional and the officer knows that it is unconstitutional what then? Does the officer effect the arrest (just doing his job)? or does he have to fulfill his oath and not arrest?

          • Plutodog

            If the officer finds himself being required to enforce what you suppose to be an unconstitutional law, he should quit. He should whistle-blow. He should vote. He doesn’t get to decide and act on what he personally believes is unconstituional law. That way lies uncertainty, anarchy, the death of many more innocents in the absence of a disciplined police force. I’m guessing you’re no longer LEO. Or ought not to be.

          • cactuspie

            I swore no oath to it unless you count grade school indoctrination. What the heck are you ranting about? So tell me who the law does designates to interpret the constitution and other laws.

        • JB

          Spoken like a good little citizen. It is not the courts job to “decide” “tell us” “educate us” on what the law says.

          • Plutodog

            Actually, yes, it is in a civilized society. Too bad you can’t get that inside your poor, little head.

      • Plutodog

        I look forward to you being behind bars where you sound like you belong. And I hope nobody dies in the process because you’re stupid.

    • JB

      Well said. I can tend to get a little…ruffled, and pop off. That was very well communicated and intelligent. I agree with you.

    • Plutodog

      I suggest there is a time and place to hold LEO’s responsible for what you think is bad behavior. And that time/place is NOT when you’ve been confronted, are facing arrest, or they are doing what is even just arguably their job and you think they’re being bullies are FOS, etc. Shit happens, you could be wronged. Take your argument to court and you can be the good, live guy. Fight the officer out in the street and you’re the bad, quite possibly dead and stupid guy.

    • Plutodog

      My understanding was that their form of “protest” was to try to interfere with the BLM/employees seeking to enforce court orders and exercise their responsibility to maintain, manage BLM land. Protest that involves or devolves into that kind of interference is not legitimate protest.

  29. Lenda Beck

    We are not to uphold a rogue society,,,we are not held to support a government that goes against the law… They work for us.. they do not have the right to go all rogue on us… I will not let one kill me with out trying to protect myself … I will go to jail for justice..

    • Tom Jones

      I believe that is part of the correct answer here.

    • Plutodog

      Your decision that the government is “going rogue” is lawfully, intelligently taken to court. Anything else is insanely stupid.

  30. Deputy Matt

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, THAT is how you get shot by the cops… What a complete moron!

  31. Targetdog

    Her implants are weighing down her chest and she can’t pump enough oxygen to ther tiny brain…

  32. Matthew Fleisher

    Your headline does NOT accurately reflect the content of the story.

  33. Frank

    She’s gonna get a lot of people killed but if they are pointing guns at the police their lives don’t matter

    • JB

      SMH…That’s really sad.
      Because she’s clearly talking about thugs, criminals, blacks, vatos, skin heads and other general scum going about pointing guns at cops right? And so their lives don’t matter.
      Get off the gas Frank
      So by your thinking if (hypothetically) ,say…, a LEO answers a call at my property from a $#!+ head nosy neighbor because they’re nervous about me shooting my gun. LEO pulls up to my gate and I approach them and they say “sir, I need to come on your property and see if your operating your firearm legally and safely”. I respectfully tell him no, get a warrant if you feel you need one or go pound sand. LEO then gets power trippy and beligerent with his hand on his holstered sidearm trying to persuade me to give in to his unlawful request/demand. In responce I calmly, tactifully draw my firearm and instruct him to leave and stop harrassing me. MY life doesn’t matter? Because a gun was aimed at a poor, innocent, helpless cop just trying to do his job. Is that what you think? Tell me that kind of scenario doesn’t happen often, and most people will just roll over and wet themselves. Why? Well he’s a cop and he said he need to investigate “a call”. He’s the law right?

      • Plutodog

        I see you’re imagining your last day on earth…unnecessarily, stupidly so.

  34. DogMomma

    Before you had the chance to draw your weapon the officer would have the right to shoot you. Better rethink that position.

    • Michael Cowan

      They will shoot you for standing there with your hands in the air too.

      • Miles Rogers

        What a load Michael

      • Katrina

        HaHaHa! Because 39 seconds shows the entire incident and you can clearly see both hands through the pole. Ah huh.

    • JB

      Cover up/protection. Not right. We have the RIGHT to protect ourselves, they have the DUTY to protect our rights. Tactically speaking, yes, if you’re already stairing down a muzzle, your chances are por caca. Plan B might be healthier. But my point on this thread is not about tactics. The lady legislature on the video is not necessarily referring to sherriff/police interactions, as mentioned by others here. I think she’s talking about Federal agency overreach and encroachment situations.

  35. Ender Wiggin

    Good luck with pointing your gun at a cop princess. Not gonna end well for you.

  36. Old Top Kick

    I think that her fake boobs are leaking. She got the budget brand made from toxic sludge.

  37. Old Top Kick

    That line of thinking is why Lavoy Finicum is under indictment for murder of a LEO. Oh, wait… Never mind.

  38. striker

    Wow How stupid is she-point a gun to an Officer you have very bad cards at this Moment.

  39. David

    not only really ugly but damn stupid too.

    • outerheavenrevolt

      please explain how you are justified in pointing your gun at anyone that hasn’t done so to you first ?

      • Plutodog

        Not “you”. Law enforcement may well be and the place to argue they weren’t is afterwards in court. These simple truths are beyond some, sadly. Them would be Fiore’s people.

  40. Bill Fold

    So law enforcement has never gotten the wrong address. Never shot an innocent dog. Never shot an innocent person…
    Fellow LEO’s, get your act together. Keep your sh!t straight. Don’t screw up and you’ll be fine.
    I’ve written hundreds of search warrants. Never made a mistake that would have put the lives of my guys in more danger than already existed.

  41. Hector Mancillas

    Her dumbass is going to get someone killed.

  42. Lisa Chantel Hill Wade

    Wow! And, she’s a Republican. She is a few bricks shy of a load, right there. Or, light in her boots. Whoa!!!

    • gbp91

      just as many dumb ass dems out there too

      • Targetdog

        Point them out then! Every single person with an (R) after their name is either a liar(Ted Cruz) a child molester(Haster, Foley) a raging hypocrite(Larry Craig, Lindsay Graham) a cunt(Palin, Blackburn, Ernst, Bachmann and every other woman that votes republican) I could go on and on and on and on but surely you get the point…

        • Tom Jones

          And, you are a piece of shit ass-bitch, Demo-Commie! So, go fuck yourself targetdog! You have zero monopoly on being correct!
          Instead of just going character assassinations, maybe you should comment on the legalities and Constitutionality of the point she is trying to make!
          Talk about a dumbass! If all you can do is just disparage everyone who does not agree with you, then just go FUCK OFF and die!

          • Targetdog

            LOL! Must have hit a nerve didn’t I? And you still couldn’t answer a simple question. Choke on a bag of cocks Tommy Boy!

          • cactuspie

            “If all you can do is just disparage everyone who does not agree with you, then just go FUCK OFF and die!” Oh the irony.

        • gbp91

          ok, bil clinton with his infidelity, hillary with e mail lies benghazi lies, pelosi with health care lies, obama releasing terrorist from custody that have reengaged into terror, barny frank with his role with the housing market crash along with reid dodd pelosi obama and the list goes on….but you see there is enough blame to go around.

          • Targetdog

            Why are you so obsessed with Bill Clinton’s cock? Do you like the way it bends slightly or do you enjoy the salty pre-cum?

          • gbp91

            you asked me to point out the idiot dems and i did. but you seem to either ignore facts to fit your simple belief system or your just another agitator

        • Plutodog

          Other than the uncivilized use of the “c” word, I could agree with the hyperbole as hyperbole.

        • kobebryant243

          You just called women cunts for being Republican? I bet you’re a proggresive liberal type who calls everyone “sexist, racist, etc.” for disagreeing with you. lol showing your true colors.

          • Targetdog

            Funny you you gloss over the men in my comment. Probably behaviors you engage in yourself. Name ONE thing those women have done for their constituents that has benefited them. They are too busy mouthing off about social issues like Planned Parenthood or Repealing Obamacare, nothing tangible just Tax cuts for the rich or aiding treason with the Bundys. They are sad sacks of shit and traitors to their gender. But small men like you just love keeping a woman down.

          • kobebryant243

            I’m not a social justice warrior feminst who calls everyone a sexist if they disagree with me. Keep calling women cunts though and then turning around and calling people like Trump “sexist” for disagreeing with a woman, you slack jawed small dick faggot.

  43. Pamelita243

    And if you put down your weapon and follow the officer’s instructions, the chances are good that everyone gets to see their family again. Consider that adrenaline can affect everyone’s perception, so don’t be stupid. You want to argue, you’ll get your chance. Just don’t do it with a gun in your hand…

    • Michael Cowan

      killedbypolice.net

      What if I told you, its not just cops that want to go home to their families?

      • Katrina

        Read Pamelita243’s comment again. Maybe get someone to read it to you and explain. You seem lacking in comprehension.

    • Allieicious

      Actually, that’s not so true. What we see happening more and more is officers who will shoot in order to stimulate self defense fire from their victims…and who then engage in scorched earth murder. We saw it at Waco, at Ruby Ridge (where a 14 y.o. was shot in the back as he was running for his house, after hidden snipers killed his dog…and a woman holding a baby was shot in the doorway as she was holding a door open) and at Burns.

      • Plutodog

        A) you’re taking an incident and blowing it into a continuing reality. B) there were folks who think like you at Ruby Ridge, not just innocent bystanders. Waco was very badly handled by those inside and outside the house. Koresh was arguably suicidally insane. Blaming it all on law enforcement is inane.

        • Allieicious

          I blame the deaths on law enforcement. Nobody else was responsible, and their attitude, as yours, is that might = right. They aren’t interested in protecting anybody, they aren’t interested in serving anybody, they have no concept of whether or not they are behaving in a legal or constitutional manner. All they care about is *winning* and getting the go-ahead to kill people. Period.
          They’re disgusting and belong in prison or dead.

          • Plutodog

            You insist on putting your ignorance on display. Weaver was another sovcit suicidal idiot. He caused the situation where he and parts of his family died. He fought the law and the law won. Take charges against law enforcement to court. Or die trying something stupid. We are, like it or not, a nation of laws and elected lawmakers. Don’t like it? Too bad. We don’t want our lawmen to break the law but we ALSO don’t want them losing battles on the street with stupid sovcits. Not the sane amongst us, anyway.

          • Allieicious

            Weaver was attacked and his wife and child were assassinated, after his dog was killed in front of his child, when cops moved on his home when he didn’t appear for a hearing that he hadn’t even received a notification of. I don’t call that suicidal. I call that terrorism.

          • Plutodog

            Prove it, Allie.

          • Plutodog

            Read your own link all the way to the end, Allie. It disagrees with the BS you’re spewing.

    • JB

      And if you put down your weapon and follow the officer’s instructions, the chances are good that everyone gets to see their families again. Well, he’ll get to see his tonight, you’ll MAYBE see yours in a few weeks, a few months…maybe. you’ll definitely go through the ringer a minute. For what? Something stupid, non threatening? Something that could be reasoned out and everyone go home tonight? No, he’ll get his power trip, pat on the back, at-a-boy from sarg, nookie from his woman (tonight!), judge will get his money, cheif and DA their’s. You go to jail with some real criminals, lose an a$$ load of money, possibly your job. But sure…chances are decent that you’ll see your family again. Oh sorry, that was a wrongful arrest. Ya, we’re real sorry bout that. Here, here’s your FUBAR’d life back. Ya,…it’s gonna be a bit tainted for now on, we know. Good luck with that! Don’t forget to see the cashier on your way out. You see, Pamelita, they’ll be fine with their badge-get out of jail free card. For us there’s no real remedy. So protect your rights.

      • Plutodog

        Yes, shit does happen but not all that often — and certainly not as often to folks who know who is the law and know when it’s time to argue your rights and when it’s time to comply, await that time. With your attitude, you’re going to get what you have coming, even seem to want to see coming. That’s fine but don’t blame anyone but yourself.

      • Allieicious

        No, sometimes you don’t have to have a weapon to be murdered by out of control, criminal pigs. Sometimes, they just shoot you anyway.

        • Plutodog

          Sometimes in life, shit happens, Allie. The intelligent way to minimize the odds of that ending our life and the lives of others is to NOT take the I’m gonna shoot the law if they point a weapon at me attitude. It will get you dead. You are ignorant AND dangerous if you assume that every or even just most LEO’s are bad, murderous actors. Live and learn or don’t and die. You choose.

      • Pamelita243

        But considering your scenario…the one where you refuse to put down your weapon and the cops think you’re about to shoot so they shoot first…you don’t live to fight another day. Arguing with a gun in your hand never, ever, ever works to your advantage when dealing with police officers or soldiers who have the right to protect themselves and the responsibility to protect the public. In your post how do you think that would end? The cops shrug, holster their weapons, and drive away???

        • JB

          I understand Pamelita. I wld never tell anyone who’s natural instinct is obedience to attempt a showdown with a LEO of this generation with all their para-military training. That’s not my point at all. I’m trying to give voice to the problem in hopes that folks will engage in meaningful dialog about it. The problem, as I see it, stems from nationalism and federal funding and regulation of local LEAs. This has created an atmosphere of us vs them, kill or be killed. Set aside the war on drugs which is one of the top sources of violent crime. Without that hostility, why do our local LEOs need para-military combat training, combat arms and combat armor to issue a citation, serve a summons or break up a harmless fist fight. The answer is: they didn’t in the past, and they don’t now. In the past there was more concern and respect for the people’s rights where as today there is more concern about LEO’s safety and rights and efficient, profitable court systems. Plus the same beast that the private sector feeds when buying their guns is the same beast that the LEAs feed to buy more powerful weapons and gear. See where this is going? War is profitable abroad and at home. These guys have lobbyist if you didn’t already know that. In Congress and the media. If there is no crisis, fear, hysteria, tension…then guns and gear don’t sell to well. So what happens? Crises, fear, hysteria and racial tension is created to kick everyone into action. This is why history is so important! Usually it’s the folks who study historical events that start asking questions and see patterns in current events, not just the surface crap the media feeds us to mesmerise the masses. What I want Pamelita, is for we the people (cops included-because they’re people too) to unite and say enough, we wont be manipulated by a handful of puppeteers anymore. We want peace. But we have to stop the notion that cops hold all the rights, they are NOT to be the arbiters of our rights and freedom. They are being used by the federal government to do their bidding because the federal government doesn’t have the man power to do it themselves. But they don’t want you to know that.

  44. Len Biz

    Wow…that’s a special kind of stupid there…

    • BC

      Not if you understand the context in which is talking about.

      • Tim Barrett

        In what context would she ever want to point a gun at an officer?

        • antilib

          When they are executing an unlawful order.

          • Targetdog

            Oh sure, and she is going to know a lawful order from an unlawful order in just a few seconds in that moment?

          • Michael Cowan

            I can find 1000 videos and news stories right now on youtube of cops who give unlawful orders and use violence and murder to enforce them. Thats just a tiny fraction of the DAILY abuses by cops all over the country.

            Cops rape more than priests, they shoot innocent people, they attack first and then let the tax payers pick up the bill.

            The average non-criminal citizen is more likely to face violence from one of the million LEO officers in America than a criminal not wearing a badge.

            America has flooded our streets with armed thugs, given them badges and removed almost all punishment for abuse of power.

            So yea, the public needs to defend themselves from cops.

          • Gary McCarty

            Cops rape more than priests and shoot innocent people. My guess is that your rap sheet is about 1000 pages long….

          • Targetdog

            Michael, what percentage of those 1000 videos are those cops giving unlawful orders to minorities and not blond women with huge implants?

          • Michael Cowan
          • Epapa

            You are a special kind of stupid.

          • Katrina

            What a joke your comment is. You can’t cite facts to back up ANY of your fantasy claims. You best head on over to CopBlock. They devote an entire site to fake or doctored stories. A good many of them are also criminals trying to justify deviant behavior. Sounds like you’d fit right in.

          • Michael Cowan

            You know the funny thing about copblock? They post the ENTIRE video and links to actual news stories. Its policeone and other pro-cop sites that post short clips and do not follow up.

            PoliceOne posts over a dozen ambush attack articles, all filled with nonsense.

            CNN disagrees.
            http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/us/us-police-feel-under-siege/

          • Michael Cowan

            I am summers eve fresh!

            So posting my facebook page to multiple officers with the note “Have fun”. Are you advocating they abuse their power and target me for a 1st Amendment protected, opinion, non-threatening post?

            Thats interesting enough for me to take screen caps of all your posts and the posts of the people you sent the posts to “glm 3914, hwy505, Christian Cherniss, Katrina, Streetlaw1 etc..”.

            I have seen plenty of stories where police abused their power over the internet. Did you know you can file request at DAVIDPublicRecordRequest@flhsmv.gov to see who has run your name?

            Luckily I am a decent guy, no criminal history, no drug use (not even pot), no parole, no warrants, pay my traffic tickets. Careful to never post threats online (1 because its stupid, 2 because I am fat, white and middle class with a nice family) ..

            Would be interesting to see if police abuse their power and if I could take legal action. Not saying you fine “good cops” would do such a thing, just interesting you would spam my information.

            http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-01-22/news/os-law-enforcement-access-databases-20130119_1_law-enforcement-officers-law-enforcers-misuse

          • Mandy Tripping

            Dude, your Facebook page is creepy…….and all your “likes” make your tirades understandable.

          • Mandy Tripping

            Ridicule isn’t illegal…..but neither is creeping on all of those women on Facebook so I guess we’re even.

          • hwy505

            You have defined the word “Douche”.

          • Michael Cowan

            2

            So posting my facebook page to multiple officers with the note “Have fun”. Are you advocating they abuse their power and target me for a 1st Amendment protected, opinion, non-threatening post?

            Thats interesting enough for me to take screen caps of all your posts and the posts of the people you sent the posts to “glm 3914, hwy505, Christian Cherniss, Katrina, Streetlaw1 etc..”.

            I have seen plenty of stories where police abused their power over the internet. Did you know you can file request at DAVIDPublicRecordRequest@flhsmv.gov to see who has run your name?

            Luckily I am a decent guy, no criminal history, no drug use (not even pot), no parole, no warrants, pay my traffic tickets. Careful to never post threats online (1 because its stupid, 2 because I am fat, white and middle class with a nice family) ..

            Would be interesting to see if police abuse their power and if I could take legal action. Not saying you fine “good cops” would do such a thing, just interesting you would spam my information.

            http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-01-22/news/os-law-enforcement-access-databases-20130119_1_law-enforcement-officers-law-enforcers-misuse

          • Mandy Tripping

            We’re not laughing at you……actually, we are. Lots of creeping on female, Facebook personalities……

          • Christian Cherniss

            lol your a special kinda stupid huh.

          • Michael Cowan

            Weird

            So posting my facebook page to multiple officers with the note “Have fun”. Are you advocating they abuse their power and target me for a 1st Amendment protected, opinion, non-threatening post?

            Thats interesting enough for me to take screen caps of all your posts and the posts of the people you sent the posts to “glm 3914, hwy505, Christian Cherniss, Katrina, Streetlaw1 etc..”.

            I have seen plenty of stories where police abused their power over the internet. Did you know you can file request at DAVIDPublicRecordRequest@flhsmv.gov to see who has run your name?

            Luckily I am a decent guy, no criminal history, no drug use (not even pot), no parole, no warrants, pay my traffic tickets. Careful to never post threats online (1 because its stupid, 2 because I am fat, white and middle class with a nice family) ..

            Would be interesting to see if police abuse their power and if I could take legal action. Not saying you fine “good cops” would do such a thing, just interesting you would spam my information.

            http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-01-22/news/os-law-enforcement-access-databases-20130119_1_law-enforcement-officers-law-enforcers-misuse

          • Mandy Tripping

            I just gave everyone some insight into who you are and taking away your sense of empowerment.

          • Mandy Tripping

            Ummmmm your Facebook page was not secure…..I see you liked hundreds of pages with scantily clad women. I hope you don’t have any locked in your basement.

          • Michael Cowan

            And you like bellydancing .. you do it for the fitness?

          • Mandy Tripping

            Keeps me in shape…..you should get away from the comforts of your desk and get some exercise….

          • allenm

            Where are you getting your statistics? Not one thing you said in this post is true or accurate.

          • Lenda Beck

            I will know a lawful order or an unlawful on in the instant it is said… r… I know what the law says… I know if I am following the law or breaking it,,,If I am not breaking the law and a cop try’s to shoot me,,, yes I will defend myself by all means

          • Targetdog

            I’ll be sure to send flowers to a police charity in your name.

          • Michael Cowan

            😉

          • firstrcr

            Unlawful to whom? Just because I think it unlawful does not make it so.

          • JB

            When people spend less time watching NFL, The Voice and Walking With The Dead and instead start reading the constitution and state/county laws to keep themselves educated. Then they don’t THINK they’re right, they know they’re right. Some of us aren’t content to leave the law making and law enforcing blindly to others. We choose to stay engaged.

          • antilib

            You’ve apparently never served. We are sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies. If it’s a violation of the Constitution I deem it unlawful.

          • hwy505

            And you would interpret an unlawful order how? Point a gun at me and you believe that you are a jailhouse lawyer – I’ll make sure they put that on your headstone!

          • Allieicious

            You won’t get a gun pointed at you unless you threaten a person with a gun. Don’t be that stupid, you’ll be fine.

          • Allieicious

            That’s a great example of out of control cops breaking the law and killing people.

          • JB

            That’s exactly the kind of mentality I’m talking about. I have the badge! I have a gun! You are here to be a good little subject to me and my cartel bosses! I am the authority, not you peon “we the people”! Don’t you dare think! You just obey! You go to work, pay your taxes, pay your tickets and leave the thinking to us! Give me a break. Smh… like an angry baboon. Ooo, ooo, ooo! My gosh, what are you, x-infantry? Spec Ops or something? LE is not the military. We the people are not haji. Geez! Where are the days where sheriffs/LEOs knew they were part of the community in AND out of the uniform. When they lived along side us in and out of the uniform. But especially when they were in the uniform. The sidearm was just an equalizer, not a one sided oppression weapon. Back when they talked and truly reasoned with folk who just wanted to live and be left alone. When they cared about doing what is RIGHT not what profitted the courts and it didn’t matter what the political Sargents, Lieutenants, chiefs and pundits said. Smh…

          • antilib

            Where do you get that? Your ‘feelings’ are getting the best of you. An example is confiscating weapons. Come for peoples defenses and that is an unlawful order. Illegal search and seizure. Like not following the Constitution. Think before you bloviate.

          • Mike

            Hey brother, I guarantee you that these keyboard warriors like JB, Allieicious and Michael Cowan wouldn’t have the balls to stand up to any law officer whom they thought was stopping or arresting them “unlawfully.” A bunch of cowards. All talk and no action.

        • BC

          As Antilib stated, when they are executing an unlawful order, but if you understand the context in which and what she was talking about–with what was going on at the Bundy ranch, the Oregon ranch, and many others around the country who are going through the same thing..Now, don’t get me wrong, I am not against the police, but I wonder how many of those who are rank and file really understand and know whats going on and are just ‘following orders” because they don’t want to lose their job and how many know exactly whats going on and don’t care–My hope is that they actually DO care about what’s going on in this nation. How Harry Reid (along w/ his son) and Hillary Clinton (through her foundation) and others are looking to take over lands much has been promised to both China and Russia. Don’t believe it do a search.

          This is the guy who was murdered by the FBI in Oregon and what he was dealing with by the BLM on his own property in Texas long before what happened in Oregon and what prompted him to go stand along side them.

          • BC

            “US Media Bury the Three-Year Long Grudge Held by the Feds against Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer

            In the latest development involving the Burns-OR Standoff case, the Oregon Department of Public Safety Standards and Training is asking the state Department of Justice to investigate Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer after receiving numerous complaints from the public and others, including dispatchers and the John Day police chief. The Department has released eight separate complaints, including ones from a 911 manager and the John Day police chief, alleging misconduct by Palmer, and raising alarm concerning Palmer’s association with leaders of the refuge occupation.”

        • Lenda Beck

          in the context they are killing people unlawfully and we can still protect ourselves .. We never draw first..But if you try to kill me,, I will try to kill u back.. I love the law I love following it,, And it is still lawful for me to protect myself…

          • jim

            You must be the village idiot.

          • Allieicious

            Yes it is, and they are going to find fewer and fewer people willing to just be dragged off by corrupt, criminal officials who have no authority and no right to be doing ANYTHING, let alone shooting, Americans.

          • Frank Castle

            Have you ever had to take someone’s life? Probably not. You don’t want to, let me assure you that is the last thing you want to do. It sounds all bad ass, but it isn’t. Grow up.

          • Michael Cowan

            Cops kill people because its easy and they will not get in trouble.

            Casually shooting people in the back, cowardly killing chained dogs, shooting naked people, shooting guys running, shooting guys who dont understand you.

            Cops kill so many people and dogs it doesnt bother them. You kill more than gang members,more than terrorists, more than cops in any other country.

            Killedbypolice.net

          • glm 3914

            You are an idiot.

          • Michael Cowan

            So posting my facebook page to multiple officers with the note “Have fun”. Are you advocating they abuse their power and target me for a 1st Amendment protected, opinion, non-threatening post?

            Thats interesting enough for me to take screen caps of all your posts and the posts of the people you sent the posts to “glm 3914, hwy505, Christian Cherniss, Katrina, Streetlaw1 etc..”.

            I have seen plenty of stories where police abused their power over the internet. Did you know you can file request at DAVIDPublicRecordRequest@flhsmv.gov to see who has run your name?

            Luckily I am a decent guy, no criminal history, no drug use (not even pot), no parole, no warrants, pay my traffic tickets. Careful to never post threats online (1 because its stupid, 2 because I am fat, white and middle class with a nice family) ..

            Would be interesting to see if police abuse their power and if I could take legal action. Not saying you fine “good cops” would do such a thing, just interesting you would spam my information.

            http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-01-22/news/os-law-enforcement-access-databases-20130119_1_law-enforcement-officers-law-enforcers-misuse

          • Mandy Tripping

            Public shaming………

          • Mandy Tripping

            I figured they could use a laugh after looking at all of your likes

        • cactuspie

          If an officer points one at her as she explained. Sheesh! She also seems to forget that its the courts’ job to define the law, not the assembly’s let alone one member.

          • Allieicious

            No. We are not an oligarchy. We have three branches of government, and one doesn’t override the others. Per the constitution, we are not obligated to abide by unconstitutional laws. It says it right in there, you should read it some time.

          • Plutodog

            IF you think a law or an arrest is unconstitutional, your fight is a legal battle in court — not taking the law into your own hand, raising a gun, resisting arrest. Silly, criminal thinking.

          • Allieicious

            Wrong. Again. In our country, you have the RIGHT to defend yourself from attack by corrupt and criminal action by so-called “officials”. That’s what a right is. We don’t have the right to complain about it after it happens. Well, we do. But in addition to that, we have the RIGHT to RESIST and defend ourselves.
            And people are doing that. Get used to it. This might be a good time to brush up on which side you really want to be on.

          • Plutodog

            You talk a good, stupid game, lady. I encourage you to act on it. Natural selection will resolve the problem.

          • cactuspie

            But again, who is authorized to decide what is unconstitutional or not?

          • JB

            Wow… the courts job to define the law…?
            (Crickets chirping)

          • Plutodog

            No. Silly. It’s the court job to interpret the law, enforce the law.

        • JB

          If she were being wrongfully arrested at gun point.

        • ben dover

          READ THE NEWS DOZENS OF BAD COPS CONVICTED EVERY DAY,YOUR THIN BLUE LINE WILL BEGIN TO TURN CRIMSON RED SOON

        • Michael Cowan

          Maybe its one of the cops who rape women at gunpoint? Maybe its a panicked cop who made a mistake and decides to just kill the witness? Or simply a cowarsly cop shooting blinbly into the wrong house in terror.

          • Tim Barrett

            You go right ahead and point a gun at a Cop. If you are still alive afterwards get back to me on how smart you thought you were. You sound like an internet tough guy, go do a ride along with Chicago Officers in the worse of the gang areas. Lets see that internet manhood you seem to have.

            Unbelievable what passes through the minds of some people. And yes for the record I’m an Officer just retired.

        • Michael Cowan

          If she wanted to die. Suicide by cop is VERY effective.

      • Len Biz

        I do…and all this nimwit is doing is inciting lethal confrontations.

        Here’s a thought: don’t break the law, and you won’t have anything to worry about.

        • JB

          Hmm..? Sounds like to me, judging from her scenario, that the LEO incited a lethal confrontation. But maybe that’s just me.

      • Frank Castle

        There is no context that makes it right in her statement. If the police point a gun at gun and tell you to stop, freeze, or put you your hands on your head, comply. You have no legal right anywhere in the US to resist arrest or fail to follow the orders of a police officer. If they are wrong you are alive to take them to court and you get a big payday. If you pull a gun whether you were right or wrong you will be dead. If you manage to shoot the officer you will be arrested and will be hard pressed to explain why you did not comply with the officer’s orders.

        • Allieicious

          If they come to steal or destroy your property, if they are trying to stop you from lawful protest, and they point guns, they will find guns pointed back. That is WHY we are an armed nation.

          • Christian Cherniss

            that’s why your considered a criminal

          • Allieicious

            No, I’m not considered a.crimjnal, and I’m not a criminal. Corrupt peons like to pretend that everybody who.doesn’t abase themselves at the.feet of.criminal officialdom is a criminal. They are wrong now, as they were wrong when they stupidly obeyed Nazis because they were leos. They’re wrong now as they are wrong when they submit to illegal, unlawful authority of any totalitarian regime.

          • Ken Laughlin

            Oh, but you are a special kind of stupid. Don’t forget to renew your subscription to the National Enquirer so you can get your facts.

          • Allieicious

            Brilliant ad hominem nonsense. Score!

          • JohnDonWan

            You are an unmitigated moron.

          • JB

            Huh? 0_o

          • Allieicious

            No, I’m not considered a criminal. That’s why you’re considered a traitor. We have the right to defend ourselves, and we will.

          • Frank Castle

            In what circumstances do you think that you will win against the police? If you point your guns at the police they will tell you to drop your weapons or they will fire. When you do not they will shoot you. Then it will not matter if you were right or wrong, because you will be dead. How about try this, peaceful protest. If they violate your rights, destroy your property, etc. the ACLU or some hungry lawyer will sort it out in court. You get a big paycheck if they are wrong and you are still alive. Make them look like the bad guys if they are. If you force an armed confrontation you may get more than you want.

          • Michael Cowan

            In what circumstances could a bunch of poor colonists win against the most powerful army in the world?

            When prople group together they could beat the police easy. More guns in the hands of the public than the cops.

            Lined up in black uniforms, cops are little different than redcoats

          • Streetlaw1

            Are you as stupid as you sound!

          • Allieicious

            Typical “all officials must be obeyed” mentality, because might = right.
            In this country, might does NOT = RIGHT. We have the RIGHT to defend ourselves from out of control, saber rattling, imbecilic and violent “law enforcement” officials who threaten us. We do not have to submit and then trust to an attorney to bail us out. In this country, we have the right, the authority, and the duty to defend ourselves from aggression from unconstitutional, illegal, and criminal endeavors of ANYBODY…cops included.
            It’s funny because when you tell these pukes that we have a right to defend ourselves from murder, harassment, theft, assault…every one of them responds with a sneer and a “so whatta ya gonna do? We’ll win”.
            Which of course just makes people hate them even more.

          • Xaria

            I would argue with that but I would be speaking to the wind I will say this, if an police officer is wrong as I have said before you have recourse in the system. Why anyone would point a gun at a cop even if he is wrong amazes me because even a bad coo is going to shoot in that case so you are dead and now there is no one to call them out on their violation of you or your rights. Seems to me that the smarter more prudent step would be comply sue and get a big fat tax payer check but I guess common sense does not strike a cord with you people

          • Slick Lo

            Tell that to the people who are dead that didn’t even have a gun or weren’t even breaking law. It’s like people like you can’t see both sides since your man was a cop. With the amount of people getting gunned down by cops don’t you think there comes a point where people start fearing for there life even when they are not breaking the law. I guess my family can sue when I’m dead….

          • Xaria

            I wasn’t raised by a cop I was raised by bikers and even they taught me that cooperation goes alot farther than aggression, as for fear yeah I get that people are agrfraid, trust me I know fear well, I have lived with it more this year than at anytime in my marriage. But I also know that fear leads to mistakes that can not think be taken back. Are there bad cops? Yes, I’m not saying there aren’t are there issues in the law we for cement community?Absolutely. But if we don’t stop the hate mongering fear and try to repair and fix the issues then we are going to see innocents on both sides of the badge due and frankly I think human life is worth saving so when I say don’t need a dumb ass and point a gun at a cop I am saying because it will save lives on both sides

          • Allieicious

            nobody pointed a gun at a cop. And if a cop is wrong, there is no recourse in the system if you are dead.

          • Xaria

            Your missing the point of this discussion I think, whether you have rights or not is not disputed, whether you have the right to point a loaded weapon at a cop in the coarse of his duties right or wrong as they may be is, and my point is this if you feel you are in danger do you not think deescalation is a much better recourse to say pointing a weapon at a cop and possibly getting dead? Come on people, do people in this country really believe all cops want is to kill? Seriously pointing get loaded gun at a cop is going to ensure ONE thing and ONE thing only that either you or said officer are gonna die there are no winners in that scenario you are dead and he is under investigation or he is dead and you are in jail for murdering a cop do I you guys not get that? Do you not see that either way everybody looses because you escalated a situation that didn’t need to be and that could have been avoided?Do they not teach logic anymore?

          • Allieicious

            Your disjointed diatribe earns you the ironic post of the day award.

          • Xaria

            What my logic to much for you or are you completely lacking in the ability to reason through such a situation?

          • Allieicious

            Yeah…that must be it LOLOLOL. TOO much, btw.

          • Allieicious

            Again. It is the might=right and “obey officialdom at any cost!” attitude that has put us in this situation to begin with. If they violate my rights, and destroy my property, I will defend myself and my property as I have the RIGHT to do.

          • HaroldTheCat

            I can see by your response that you are on a fool’s errand that lacks awareness. I suggest you think about different scenarios and get advice from your attorney so you are prepared when you get into a situation with the police instead of trying to prove you’re “right” to your own detriment. Your attorney should coach you on smart ways to assert your rights with the police and how to avoid pitfalls so you don’t end up making a bad choice that might damage your future because you might think you know the law.

            A fool’s folly are those who go through the school of hard knocks by letting their egos keep them from considering the information, insight, and life experiences of wise people.

            Best wishes!

          • JohnDonWan

            The fact that you think she needs an attorney proves she is right. Sheep like you have allowed the slippery slope to become a wall of oil covered ice up which nobody will he able to climb….our rights have been usurped and you are OK with that. Some of us are not and our “lives” are not something that we worry about like cowards like you. I KNOW when my day arrives I will face it with my boots on….especially if sombody else is taking it away from me.

          • Xaria

            See this is what Im saying why is it such a hard concept to grasp

        • JB

          I don’t if you are, but if you are a LEO. as such, you wld be required to know and understand the constitution that you swore an oath to protect. The Const. protects our right to resist wrongful arrest and even protects the rights of others to assist someone resisting a wrongful arrest. Just because someone is an officer does not make the arrest right or lawful.

          • glm 3914

            So, let me get this straight; You are driving and have had a couple beers but you think you are not drunk. Po-Po stops you and tries to place you under arrest but because you think you are not drunk you fight and kill him. You think that is authorized by the Constitution? Good luck with that.

          • JB

            You’re missing the forest for the trees. So many who are posting here in disagreement with the lady rep in the video are throwing out scenarios whereby a LEO gets killed by someone whom he’s trying to enforce law/statute upon and the person knows his rights were being violated which would result in a wrongful arrest attempt. Then it is presumed that person’s case would not stand in court. As if to say: unless you think you can be exonerated in court, your plight to stand up against wrongful arrest and abuse of authority is not RIGHT. If that was how our founders thought then you would be a British citizen right now. Here’s the point; our Constitution was squashed over 150 years ago with the 14th amendment, now we have all been raised to accept the bondage of subservience to the government. Our revolution was fought over much less tyranny than what we endure today. Many people are starting to wake up from this 150 yr coma and want their freedom back. You call them “special kinda stupid”. Trust me, I get it that some people really get out on that limb. But it’s a natural reaction to ridicule what you fear or dont understand. Just because a statute/law exists on paper doesn’t validate it. Did you know the constitution also protects your right to void laws that go against the constitution?

          • R.

            I think the best response is one out of the book from Martin Luther King Jr. That is peaceful, not one that government is going to consider rebelling or succession. Rebelling or succession doesn’t really go over very well and it shouldn’t because a lot of people get hurt. A peaceful protest, and lawsuits when that goes wrong will be honored by the courts. It may take time, but if your point is valid it will. Sure, getting angry and setting shit on fire is fun and can help elevate some of the anger you have, but we shouldn’t allow rebelling because it’s fun and that anger should be constructed in ways that doesn’t cost anything to anyone.

          • will

            That had been proven throughout history to be a huge idiotic lie. America wouldn’t be free from England if all they did was peacefully protest their situation, they’d be dead. When protest is not working because the establishment of oppressors doesn’t care, the only logical next step is violent.

            MLK was executed through an order given to the FBI from former president Lyndon Johnson. That tells you that all that peaceful protest meant nothing if the person that leads the country ordered his death.

            Look at history, American revolution wasn’t a peaceful protest, neither was the Boston Tea Party where white people disguised themselves as native American people and revolted against Britain and it’s taxes.

            The civil war where both sides could no longer use words since neither side refused to budge. The ideal chain of events is to be able to end conflict with a peaceful protest, however there never been a time in history where the oppressed were able to talk to their oppressors, and they honestly stopped oppressing them. No instead the stress and oppression gets harder and tougher.

            You must always fight for your freedom.

          • George Bell

            Gandhi would disagree with you. As would Canada and prob many others.

          • Frank Castle

            On the side of the street is not the place to try your case. In 30 years of law enforcement hardly anybody thinks they should be arrested. The man who beats his wife, the child abuser, the drunk driver, I could go on. The point is you are much better off if you do what you are told. If you were wrongly arrested then you will win in court (it may not even make it to court, they may settle with you). You will have a very heavy burden of proof in most cases trying to prove you were wrongly arrested if there is a valid warrant or the officer had valid probable cause for the arrest. You thinking that he is abusing his authority without something to back it up won’t cut it.

          • Michael Harber

            ***you will win in court?***
            Is that a guarantee? How much time and money is that going to cost me? What’s going to happen with my job? (especially if it’s a good one) I’m not advocating or suggesting you should commit violence against the police. But it certainly is something to consider when faced with such an unpleasant dilemma.

          • Timothy Gallardo

            In Albuquerque NM the police will shoot you whether it is legal or not and get away with it. Excessive force is used far too often.

          • John P.

            Lol !!

          • Michael Harber

            You’re missing the point. but that’s O.K. I do understand what you’re saying. In such a situation, I’m not going to jail. I’ll fight for my rights…since I don’t drink.

          • glm 3914

            No, actually, you’re missing the point. Go ahead and fight, you’ll just go to jail with more charges and possibly with some lumps… you can be dead right…Oh, by the way you can’t lawfully resist arrest unless excessive force is used… this post is a year old………………….

          • Michael Harber

            I’m sorry you don’t understand. I do like the more lumps part though. That’s funny. ?

          • glm 3914

            A guy that comments on a thread that is a over a year old thinks I don’t understand.. LOL

          • Michael Harber

            …LOL

          • HaroldTheCat

            How would you know that an arrest is “wrongful” at the time?

          • JB

            Seriously? Are you insinuating that you are so ignorant of due process and your God given, constitution protected rights that you would not “know at the time” if they were being violated or not? That’s what a wrongful arrest is; being held hostage against your will and your rights stripped away short of due process. It’s the due process that helps preserve your rights and secure your life, limb and possessions.

          • HaroldTheCat

            You evaded my question and claiming I’m “ignorant” while referring to “due process” doesn’t show how one knows that an arrest is “wrongful” at the time of an arrest. You might consider that an arrested person won’t know if an arrest is lawful or not until the officer arresting them articulates the reasons for such arrest. Furthermore, officers aren’t required to disclose their reasons at the time of arrest or while detaining someone. Officers will articulate the reasons (probable cause) for an arrest in their reports and in court. One can assert all of their U.S. constitutionally mandated rights at the time of arrest and still not know why the police lawfully placed them under arrest or what the officer’s probable cause is. Similarly, you may not consent to a search of your vehicle on a traffic stop, yet the officer may proceed to search it anyway. There are times when an officer needs permission to do certain things and other times when they don’t need the subject’s permission whatsoever.

          • John P.

            Know the Law and know your rights !!

          • HaroldTheCat

            To “Know the Law and know your rights” does not mean that a subject will always know if their arrest is “wrongful” at the time. The arrested person will learn about this later in court and through other legal processes where officers articulate their probable cause.

          • R.

            Unfortunately there is no easy answer to this as what makes an arrest a “reasonable seizure?” and if it’s wrongful at the time.

            For starters, for something to be unreasonable or reasonable you need a reason, and in this case it’s the officer’s reason (because he’s the party arresting you), which he may or may not tell you. Most of the time, there is a crap ton of reason behind it, such as case law (which you may or may not know or even be aware of), laws, observations (that you may or may not know you have done), and in my experience, trying to give someone a brief review of some of the facts of why I stopped them other than a simple 1 point reason creates more hassle on scene than not so I don’t give my full reason anymore. It becomes a debate (“I didn’t know that” or “I didn’t do that” or even “I don’t agree with that”) which creates complaints, headaches, politics (which are a realm of fuckery all on their own), and maybe even a fight (because people don’t agree with a case law and are already emotional which pushes them over the edge).

            So, while yes, an unlawful arrest you can resist, but at the end of the day, I don’t have time to explain (other calls to head to, businesses to check, reports to write, things to follow up on, “police presence” which decreases crime in areas, citizen contacts to make, etc) a 15 point reason of why you’re in the wrong (does anyone like to hear that anyway??? 15 reasons for why you’re wrong? What about 1? does anyone even like 1 reason?), explain numerous case law and the court’s interpretation of it and what that means for this specific stop, then debate it based my actions to determine if it’s reasonable or not. The only way this could even remotely be possible is if we raise taxes to hire more police (i.e. raise shit ton so we can hire a shit ton more so that the officer and the subject can have time to due the court’s job on scene), or we can just let the court determine it (which already exists and don’t need to substantially raise taxes to create time to fulfill said conditions above).

          • John P.

            I am a retired Law enforcement officer after 26 yrs. And a training instructor for the academy. You are as a civilian allowed to protect yourself against ILLEGAL USE OF FORCE against you from police, and you see how I stressed that, which means that the officers had no probable cause to use force on you in the first place. However the best thing to do if ordered by police to do something is to comply with the orders whether they are right or wrong, you will have your day in court. And if it is proven that the cops did that illegally, do everything you can to make sure they lose their job, there’s nothing I can’t stand more then a bad cop !!

          • Jonathan Lumpkin

            The problem with the term “illegal use of force” is a torrent of laws that simply make more things illegal therefore further elevating the state above the citizen. The laws in this nation have become so numerous our government can’t even keep count, much less can we expect an officer – or citizen – to fully know them. It fully positions the state against the citizen.

            The state, more often than not, protects bad cops and fires good cops who object to bad police practices. My father was a former chief of police who was forced into resignation, after 32 years of service, for this very reason.

            As such, we should distinguish between “illegal” and “immoral.” The two terms are not synonymous and are increasingly growing further apart.

          • Michael Harber

            I agree with MOST of what you’re saying. But if I honestly… and I mean 100% feel as though I’m going to be killed…well, I’m going to defend myself accordingly. Because if it reaches that point, I’ve got nothing to lose. God forbid that should ever happen. I just would never ever want to have to live my life as a killer of anyone!

          • Narcguy

            If you resist you WILL be killed. That’s the point other posters were trying to make. Complying is the best way to make sure you get your day in court and you survive the encounter well enough to make somebody pay for the illegal arrest or unlawful use of force. But you draw down on a bunch of cops, that’s a surefire way to end up in the morgue, because all they have to articulate then is that you pulled your weapon on them and were a threat. If your weapon is holstered, leave it that way so you can at least walk away. Being a hot head will only get you dead.

          • Just passinby

            Absolutely if it would work out like that , with corruption everywhere. theres no telling if the officer will plant something on the subject allowing him to have probable cause that resulted in firing his weapon . Now what if the subject ran from you and just as you catch up to him subject pulls his weapon and fires one shot officer takes the gun away throwing subject on the ground fires 14 shots into this subject fatally wounding the subject , no other weapon was found at the scene, officer admits he shot the subject with the subjects weapon approximately 14 shots ,

            Question, Is this a justified shooting of a subject that was unarmed at the time of the shooting ? Curious to know your opinion on this matter , i say unjustified , reason being subject was no longer armed , thanks

          • Praetorian

            I agree with contempt for bad police officers and most people would never believe fellow officers complain to IAD more than citizens.

          • Xaria

            yes it does but it does NOT give you the right to point a weapon at a police officer in the course of his duties. It also does NOT give you the right to violate the law and pointing a weapon at a cop who has drawn his weapon to execute an arresst is well frankly fuckin stupid. My husband has been a cop for 23 years and has NEVER violated someones rights, he has however starred down the barrell of a gun and his was holstered so you can bet the fuck went to jail. You get a day in court to prove your arrest was illegal and violated your rights and if your right yes you get a bug check

          • JB

            Look, I get it, your man was a career LEO. Being a LEO is a job. In some very acute ways it is like NO regular 9-5. But the constitution is very easy to read and the common people can understand it easily, so there is no ambiguity. Any statute/law making it illegal to defend myself against ANYONE trying to wrongfully arrest me is null. I am not arguing whether it is a tactful or intellegent decision, I am only arguing what is right and wrong. To say that LEOs have special protection from someone defending themselves from wrongful arrest or oppression just because they are doing their job while wearing a badge is idiocy. Ever heard of the Nuremberg Trials? Lots of people who were “just following orders” were held responsible for their actions. It would be like having laws protecting outside salesmen, another thankless job. NO, I’m not comparing a LEOs job to a salesman’s, just hear me out. Sir, can I help you? Yes I need to speak to the CEO. Do you have an appt Sir? No I do not. I’m sorry Sir you’ll have to make an appt first, we have a no solicitation policy. Oh, no mamm, you can’t deny me going into his office you see, I’m just doing my job. The law says that in pursuit of selling my legal product I am able to walk into anyone’s office neccessary to sell this legal product. And if your company uses these products you have to buy it from me now because I am here now and I’m holding a brief case, which legitimises this whole scenario. You are not allowed to pull out your no solicitation policy if I’m holding a brief case while trying to sell you my product. If this product doesn’t do what I say it does you can fight it in court later. But you are not allowed to make me do my homework and go through customary procedures so as to protect your assets from slick, convincing sales guys…like me. And I’m sure if I were an outside salesman for 23 years my wife would be on our forum backing me up saying the law says you can’t tell my husband to get an appointment…he’s holding a brief case at you. That’s F’ing stupid!

          • Mike

            F’ing stupid comparison.

          • JB

            Relax Mike…I was trying to be a little humorous. At least I cracked myself up.

          • Xaria

            Really you are now comparing apples and oranges, but lets follow your theory for a moment, while you may believe you have the right to enter my CEO husbands office to sell your product a clearly posted sign stating No Soliciting makes you a tresspasser and in violation of STATE law in which case he has every right to ask you to leave and refuse to see you. This is what I love about the private sector you have no clue what the,LAW says and you spout the constitution but you dont stop to think that the laws passed if they were NOT constitutional then they would not be laws. I dont defend all cops because I know better than most that some should NOT be wearing their badges. But I also know that you pointing a gun at a officer who is trying to do his duty is in fact a violation of the law and failing to follow a order is also a violation of the law pointing the gun at him will insure that you get locked up or dead that is reality, as long as you believe your rights were violated there is recourse in a COURT room. But People like you forget these men and women are human beings with families just like you who want to go home at the end of their shift and if it becomes a choice between you and them I can promise you this the constitution is not going to help you, as for wrongful arrest well that is what you have Miranda Rights and an Attorney for

          • Xaria

            Look Im not saying they have special privilages or anything what I am saying is this if you are being wrongfully arrested or other wise harrassed by the cops does it not make more sense to keep EVERYONE ALIVE let them do their job and settke it in Court or woukd you rather we just ho back to oldwest rukes and just shoot it out? You cant have it both ways you either want the laws that protect us and keep the peace or you want anchry. You have a choice to make in that choice you hold your life in your hands and tge life if the officer

          • Jonathan Lumpkin

            And what do you do when the courts become enablers of bad cops? Our laws are steadily increasing limitations to our natural rights. For cops, “just following orders” is not a good argument if those orders are immoral. This is important to note as “illegal” is not the same as “immoral.” You need also bring caution to the idea of “just do what you’re told.”

            Example: Say the state passes a law that allows cops to beat you mercilessly just for giving them a dirty look (subjective) or authorizes them to rape you while they have you detained in prison, will you just timidly do what you’re told because you don’t want to break the law or do you think it time to defend yourself against the state? Your argument states you should just do what you’re told because it’s the law. Not a good argument.

            Blindly “doing what you’re told” is how states rise to fascism. It is how you get a Stalin, a Hitler, a Pol Pot, or a Mao. If you think the US is immune to becoming fascist then you aren’t paying attention. We are well heading down that road.

          • Xaria

            There is however a difference and you know it, an officer, in the course if hus duties may approach you and ask to see your ID hus reason unknown perhaps you resemble a armed robbery suspect or a wanted fugitive, so instead of cooperation he gets a gun pointed in his face, now either you or said officer are about to have a real bad day because yoy felt violated because he asked for your ID. It is the laws that protect us all that they enforce even those they may not neccessarily agree with that is the job and anyone who henders them from doing that job like pointing a weapon at them or even as simply lying to them has violated the law, if you have been violated in some way the judicial system is there to hash it out. Point a gun at a cop is either suicidal or homicidal.

          • Frank Castle

            The point I am making is this, you better be dam well sure that are right. The burden of proof will be on you and it will be hard for you to prove that you were in the right and it was an unlawful arrest. I understand the constitution very well. Just because someone does not think the police have probable cause for an arrest or that a warrant is invalid the side of the road is not the place to try your case. What if you are wrong? What if there is a warrant for your arrest which will have to be approved by the officer’s supervisor, the state attorney, and signed off on by a judge? If you think the officer did not have the right to arrest and you use deadly force to resist and he dies? Then when the smoke clears and he did have the right to arrest you, guess what? You will have taken a man’s life because you did not want to let the system do it’s job. I can assure you do not want to take someone’s life. It is better to let the system work it out. It sounds all noble and brave to “Protect your Constitutional Rights”, but how noble will you feel taking someone’s life when there was better way to do it. If you think it is a bad arrest do not give a bad cop an excuse for hurting or killing you. Comply, be polite, do what you are told. Make him be the bad guy. If his video shows you following instructions and being polite it is hard to have an excuse for using unnecessary force.

          • Praetorian

            With that understood, you’d still be a fool to draw down on an officer, because you think you’re being wrongfully arrested. I’ve never met any person subject to arrest who thought they should be arrested and I’ll be damned if I let them decide on the side of a dark road or in any hood.

        • PavePusher

          “You have no legal right anywhere in the US to resist arrest or fail to follow the orders of a police officer.”

          What if they are unlawfully attempting to violate your Constitutional Rights, or unlawfully kill you?

          Seems that SCOTUS disagrees with you:

          https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/177/529

        • JohnDonWan

          What is police enter the wrong home, expecting to find an armed suspect, and i, an armed homeowner gets the drop on the cop? Who is right…well that’s EASY the homeowner…usually doesn’t happen that way but if it does…too bad so sad….police need to take back the risk of being a police officer and quit shifting the risk to the citizen. Current training ensures an entire generation of coward cops. Policing is one of the safest blue collar jobs in the world…try truck driving…now that’s a dangerous job.

          • Xaria

            Having been in this world all I will say is if you believe its so safe put on the badge and gun and get out there, statistically the life expectancy of a cop on the streets in major cities like LA and Chicago 4 hours max, any situation even as annochuous as a traffic stop or a loud music call can go south fast. So being safer as a truck driver is quit funny

          • JohnDonWan

            “, statistically the life expectancy of a cop on the streets in major cities like LA and Chicago 4 hours max, ” I’ve always thought that the rules of debate that strongly encourage debaters refrain from negative attacks of your opponent are too restrictive…because when a moron speaks….they should be noted as a moron. You madam are indeed a moron. It is a proven fact that being a truck driver is a much more dangerous job than police officer. In fact being a police officer is one of the safest blue collar jobs a person can do. Don’t vomit facts that you make up.

          • Xaria

            Wow John I would say thank you but it seems to that you know very little about what a cop does, I can however assure you that I am not the moron you think me to be simply stating what I live daily.

        • will

          In the case of Schlude, a MO officer, he stepped out of a squad car pointing his gun at a group of unarmed teens walking down the street legally and then lied on camera about the personality of one or the people he was aiming at, by him stating the citizens name without the need for Id shows that he’s been stalking this person and trying to bait him into a position where’s he can end his life without getting in trouble through lying about the event. Now, if you point a gun at someone, the only logical explanation is that they plan to kill you. If this citizen was armed, he’d have a legal right to aim his own gun at that officer. The officer on camera showed proof of a premeditated plan to murder that group of kids. This should be more than enough cause for him not just being banned from any police department but put in jail over terroristic acts. Yet the only thing he received was a written warning. So no that statement isn’t without point or fruit. Many police officers use terrorism to do their job. That is illegal, yet cops don’t stay fellow cops when they break the law.

          • Xaria

            I find that offensive my husband in his career has ended the careers of 5 officers because thwy had no business wearing a badge, not all GOP’s are out to terrorize the world they have a job to do one that outs them in bad situations.

          • will

            Ha. I could give a flying fuck less about my words of truth offending your privileged ass.
            Words don’t really offended grown people, actions do. You know what offends me? Killer cops going crazy killing unarmed blacks. The fact that the police department refuses to vet their potential officers any better so that we don’t have to worry about racist, treacherous, lying, terrorist cops joining the force for a power trip and a nice paying, hard to lose job.

            You know what really offended me, that your loser husband only got 5 cops when the record shows that over 60% of the law enforcement community is corrupt, lying bastards and your incompetent husband only caught 5 of them when the whole damn department is shady. So again, tell me how my stating facts offends your boojee ass?

        • JohnDonWan

          You are a sheep. I have had a gun illegally pointed at me by police. And as I feared for my life ai had every right under the law and under the principles upon which this nation was formed to resist as I did. Am I lucky to be alive after such action? Maybe. But I know one thing for sure: YOU are dead wrong. Cops are merely people that the majority of us have agreed to let be cops. Once the approval of the people is removed they are nothing more than people….no powers, no special anything….And the idea that you are so willing to just assume that they have TOTAL control over you is why the human race is doomed. They are no different than truck drivers. They are performing a service. Truck drivers make mistakes and die all the time. In fact, it is much MORE dangerous to be a truck driver than a cop…and cops too make mistakes that get themselves killed as well as others….you not only have the right to defend yourself against unlawful arrest you as an American have an obligation to do so. This idea that cops must be listed to and obeyed as if God is against everything we know to be true in Western Civilization. You are not a sheep you are a human. The only question here is a personal one and it is this: Is THIS the appropriate time, situation, place that I want to exercise my human rights? The answer can get you killed very quickly with today’s brand of coward cops.

        • Michael Harber

          Dead? Really?… I suppose you’re operating under the assumption that officers are immune to bullets. Do you even realize that it’s possible for an officer to be killed?

      • ray

        The only context she is talking about is getting shot as soon as she does it. If a cop points his gun at you and tells you to drop your weapon and you point it at him if he doesnt shot you he is as stupid as you are

      • Praetorian

        No matter the context, if you think it is wise to draw down on a police officer, you must be a criminal bent on not being arrested and a fool. You can throw the Constitution around all you want,you may want to think before you point a weapon towards an officer who has already drawn down on you and understands lag time. This woman is an complete idiot for making such a statement.

    • Lenda Beck

      If a rogue cop pulls a gun on me well ..If you try to kill me,, I will kill you back… There are an abundance of rogue cops out there.. and it is getting worse…

      • Len Biz

        There are not as many rogue cops as you believe. You are being played like a good Orwellian sheep.

        Keep bleating.

    • JB

      I know. Right? Cops pointing guns at non life threatening folks and crap

    • Michael Harber

      You’re a fucking dumbass…just scary stupid.

    • Michael Harber

      You sure are, yes.

      • Len Biz

        You comment a year after a post? Apparently my comment was directed at you, also,

    • Praetorian

      She is dangerously stupid, sadly she’ll fit right in in Washington D.C.

  45. Xaria

    evudently this dumbass has no idea what it means to do the job or the danger if this is her thinking, I will say this not all cops are goid but how smart do you have to be to reslize 8f you raise a loaded weapon at a cop and fire it is very likely going to be the thing your dumb ass does

      • Plutodog

        So your dumb ass wants to gamble with your life and that of the LEO. I don’t like your odds…or maybe I do.

        • Allieicious

          Of course you do. Because you are a sycophant of corrupt and criminal law enforcement agents who use their badges to abuse people. I bet you would have cheered on the cops who sicced dogs on the civil rights protesters of the 60s as well.

          • Plutodog

            No, silly, there’s plenty of bad characters in any profession including law enforcement and politics. The question is what the intelligent person does about it. You’ve proved that you’re not that person. But life will keep giving you opportunities to smarten up…if you survive.

  46. thelastrealrepublican

    Um….No Fiore, no.

    When did America get so damn dumb?!

    • Michael Cowan

      Blame it on the founders. They instilled this idea in some people that its better to fight and die than to be ruled by armed thugs who can do whatever they want with you and your property. I mean sure, its was fine when it was just the blacks getting murdered left and right .. but now cops have no problem beating and killing soccer moms, old ladies and little girls.

      Cops rape more than priests, they have no repercussions for their actions (well a free vacation and double pay when they are fired, get another job and then quietly get rehired years later with backpay).

      • Dan O.

        Michael, I don’t know if you are trolling or not, but regardless, you must be the stupidest person on the planet.

      • gagu

        Michael, not only are you pathetically confused, you are amusingly confusing. Quit saying that cops rape priests……..

      • Plutodog

        The founders were fighting a colonial government under a King across the ocean who gave them no right of representation regarding who were their leaders, what went into their laws. Your attempt to compare yourselves or your grievance with them is pathetically stupid, childish, off-base.

        • Michael Cowan

          No. The founders were fighting redcoats who walked around abusing the people with no consequences.

          The redcoats made arbitrary laws to collect unjust taxes and keep the colonists poor and unsuccessful.

          For. Most of the british this was just fine. They approved the laws and it was 100% legal.

          Now cops are the new redcoats, untouchable, able to commit any crime, kill anyone and walk away to do it again in another department.

          Endless fines and tickets are the new taxes. Cops collect billions from the public.

          We replace the king with a corrupt government that is elected by money not votes.

          And how are poor areas any different than the colonies?

          No my friend. Cops are the new redcoats. And they 100% deserve the scorn and hate they are getting.

          • Plutodog

            Horseshit, sonny. Your ignorance will continue to catch up with you. Life has a way of reintroducing you to the lessons you fail.

    • JB

      When they stopped thinking for themselves and started worshiping the mighty US military and Para military LEAs

    • kobebryant243

      She’s just your typical Libertarian.

  47. Heyna_or_no

    What a freaking ditz!

  48. Nodonutz

    Well the OSP and FBI fired at LaVoy Finicum when he driving, and when upon exiting his vehicle, had his hands out, no weapon displayed…. As a 15 + year LEO there are times when LE is WRONG.

    • Xaria

      I agree Nodonutz my husband us a 23 year vet and I have seen cops do some dumb ass shit, but this woman is not only an idiot she needs a reality check pointing your weapon at a cop is only gonna get you dead

    • Targetdog

      That’s totally not how it happened. You conservatives sure enjoy lying…a lot!

      • Tom Jones

        And the highest and best use of Demo-Commies like you is to hold down the business end of a noose!

        • Targetdog

          Why don’t you go sit in a corner and jerk off your tiny dick…

          • TickTock

            Why should he when you’ll do it for him, shitstain?

    • Plutodog

      Driving at speed towards a barricade, threatening the lives of himself, his passengers and LEO’s. Jumping out of his vehicle when for reasons we don’t know yet, one FBI agent fired twice and other FBI at the scene didn’t report it. The rest of the shooting was by OSP when idiot who said he wasn’t going to go to jail, who had already run one traffic stop, who continuously told the LEO’s to go ahead and shoot, and who made furtive moves towards a 9mm weapon in his coat pocket. Other than WTF the FBI was doing covering up their shots (which hit nobody), the death was regrettable but not murder.

  49. CountryWizard

    She is clearly an IDIOT!

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