LA Police Union: Police Commission Wants Cops To Run From Armed Suspects

The Los Angeles Police Commission wants LAPD police officers to run away when a suspect confronts them with a weapon, warns the Los Angeles Police Protective League, the labor union of the city’s police officers.

The organization posted a blog post critical of the commission’s recent decision to find that fault lay upon an LAPD officer who used deadly force when a female suspect, Norma Guzman, came at him and his partner swinging a large knife.

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“The key facts in this case are not in dispute. A female suspect, armed with an 8 to 9-inch knife, charged at officers, repeatedly ignored commands to stop, and was recorded yelling ‘shoot me’ as she swung her knife from side to side,” the LAPPL Board of Directors wrote in a blog post.

The armed suspect immediately closed the space between her knife and the police officers from 70 feet to no more than 5 feet in less 10 seconds. At this point, the first officer shot from his service weapon.

The second officer (Officer C) involved in the incident only had three seconds to react to the forthcoming threat. The Commission stated, “It was reasonable for Officer C to believe, in the moment when the use of force occurred, that the subject would imminently assault him with the knife.”

So why did the commission have a problem with the officers’ reaction?

The commission stated that the first officer’s “position initially provided Officer C with a position of tactical advantage” but lost the advantage as the suspect came at him. They wrote, “this advantage rapidly diminished as the Subject continued her advance, leaving him with neither distance nor effective cover as the Subject approached the space between two parked vehicles by which Officer C was located.”

“Suspect charging from the front. Vehicles on either side. Where do you ‘redeploy?’ Run backwards. This is absurd and it’s dangerous. What happens if the officer loses his footing with a charging suspect? What happens if the suspect runs into a nearby home or store and confronts its occupants with her weapon?” LAPPL asks.

The LAPPL continues, “What if the suspect also had a concealed gun? What is created when an officer turns tail and runs away is a large target. It’s called a back. The officer would put their lives in further jeopardy by running away if the suspect had a gun. At this close range, running away would create a self-caused danger to the officers and the public.”

In a statement to TheDC, The Board Of Directors of The LAPPL said, “When officers are attacked, they must be able to protect themselves.  It’s appalling that four commissioners with zero law enforcement experience can so easily cast aside the Chief of Police’s conclusion that our officers acted within policy.”

The statement continues, “The Commission’s finding that an officer being charged at with a weapon should run away is absurd.  The commission just made every police officer’s job more dangerous. They are telling officers you can save your life or save your job, but you cannot do both.”

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  1. Bad Penguin

    The police commissioners must come from England.

    • ahaz

      You might want to joke, but the UK and Scottish models of policing is one of the gold standards worldwide to teach deescalation and apprehension of suspects without the use of deadly force. In fact, many major police departments frequently visit their academies to learn their techniques. It’s too bad our officer haven’t learned them or learned to effectively apply them.

  2. Michael Dillon

    authorize the police to start busting heads like they did back in the day if the BLM wanna tango let the police and National Guard oblige them and I almost guarantee all this shit would stop

    • ahaz

      What do you mean, authorized the NG to bust some rogue cop’s head?

      • Michael Dillon

        no authorize the NG to start busting demonstrators heads especially if they’re threatening innocent lives assaulting people and rioting

  3. oldhippie

    Why not just take the guns away from the police then the crooks can just have all the duck shoots they want. WTF are you kidding me LA has gone totally insane with this crap. Everyone just give all your belongings and money to all the low life’s and bow to the LA god and maybe it will bless you and let you live.

    • John P.

      They can take the cops gun but their not taking mine !! I refuse to be a fucking victim because of some fucking liberal agenda !! They want to forcefully take my gun then it will definitely have to be over my Dead body !! But I can shoot just as good as those coming to get it !!!

  4. david ratay

    What a bunch of pussies! And everybody thought the cops in the movie “Demolition Man” were bad. Fiction reflects real life I guess.

  5. Jim Scott

    I have said it before and I’ll say it again. I would not advise anyone to go into law enforcement. The pay is too low, the hours too many, the red tape too thick and the people don’t want to be policed. It’s not worth the aggravation, the sleepless nights, the shorter life span nor the ungrateful attitude that people take. Let it burn for a year or two and the tune will change.

  6. ahaz

    What a bullcrap article and criticism. The fact of the matter is that their UK counterparts regularly disarm and apprehend suspects with edged weapons without the use of deadly force. I recall this video and these officers knew they were on a suicide by cop situation. They also had ample opportunity to use tactical retreat and their vehicle as a shield to protect themselves from the victim. Instead, they just barked commands, stood their ground and just allowed the suspect to approach them. This was definitely a situation that did not have to occur if the police used good defensive tactic instead of drawing their weapons. Anyone with even the smallest amount of defensive training could point that out. Again, we give an officer a crutch in a firearm and too much discretion and lack of training and this is the result

    • Robert Travis

      You should try signing up for a citizens police academy in your area so you could actually learn what training officers currently receive. It is obvious from your post you do not know.

      • ahaz

        This is the other standard answer that cops like to use to go along with “if you haven’t walked in my shoes, then don’t judge my actions”

        • Robert Travis

          What a great a deeply thought out rebuttal. You and folks like you are not interested enough to go learn more about the profession. It is easier to sit on the sidelines and gripe and whine.

          • ahaz

            One that you could understand

  7. Meatzilla ✓ᴵᴿᴿᴱᴰᴱᴱᴹᴬᴾᴸᴼᴿᴬᴮᴸᴱ

    The War on Cops is real. Nationalization of all Law Enforcement agencies is inevitable if Democrats continue to occupy the White House. Do not expect Republicans to block such a move from either House, as well. Even if the GOP holds majorities. The GOP stands ready and champing at the bit to pass and implement Democrat policies and agendas. That much has been made more than amply obvious over the last 8 years already.

    Once the Federal Government seizes command and control of local Law Enforcement from sea-to-shining-sea, then it will certainly be a heckuva lot more ludicrous Policies and Procedures and a heckuva lot worse than LEO’s being ordered to turn tail and run from armed and unarmed danger. Beyond the body-Government bootheel and all of their inherent incompetence and dedicated service to themselves, just Imagine all the LEO committees and citizen commissions and the special interests holding sway over all LEO’s. An army of people who’ve no idea what LEO work is, what it is actually like in every single solitary aspect, all lording over all LEO’s from their armchairs. Many of them will undoubtedly even work diligently to not only severely hobble police officers, but also set them up for a whole gamut of horrific possibilities due to their intense hatred of police, and ‘whitey’.

    http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/PolicingTaskForce

    Just ask the EPA, IRS, FEC, VA, and every other Federal Agency under Barack Hussein Obama targeting specific segments of American citizens, or simply epically and perpetually failing specific segments of American citizens with nary a care thus far. No one is ever held accountable, either. Errybody gets “immunity” though. Fancy that.

    After all, everything this bloated and exponentially growing Government touches these days absolutely turns to crap — and there is no end to that fact of American life in sight. The push is on to Nationalize Police and the work to do just that has begun quite some time ago.

  8. Robert Travis

    I have suspected for some time that it was the expressed intent of this administration to undermine the public’s conffidence in local law enforcement. That was facilitate the change over to a federal law enforcment entity. Now, who that would be made up of (UN) I don’t know, but I do think it is coming. Maybe under the guise of Homeland Defense, probably, if he stays consitent, headed up by a Muslim Czar appointee.

    • ahaz

      You’re mistaken. Cops did the discrediting all by themselves.

      • Robert Travis

        Ahaz you are Wrong, the vast majority of incidents , after all of the evidnce is examined, prove that the cops were legally justified in doing what they did. There are some few instances where they were not, and those officers are dealt with in the judicial system just like everybody else that is accused if breaking the law. As long as human beings populate the profession you are going to havee human error andd poor judgement crop uup from time to time. Maybe you have attained perfection, I don’t know, butt if youu are looking for absolute perfection out of your police officers, it will never happen. I can guarantee you that policcing has a far lowere failure ratee than most any other profession you can name.

        • ahaz

          it strains credulity if you believe that police officers face participate in the same justice system that civilians participate. Firstly, many states have LEOBRS and union agreements that restrict when and prevent interrogation techniques to be used on them that would be used against a civilian. Secondarily, many of thes officer are investigated by the very departments that they work. The classic fox guarding the hen house scenario. On these investigations, the officer is going to get the benefit of the doubt. Thirdly, DAs often act as personal defense attorneys for the officers except for the most aggregious cases. Tamir Rice is the most recent example. Recent articles regarding grand jury testimony reinforced the belief that the jury was manipulated in order to get the no-Bill that the DA wanted. Add to the fact, it took over a year to perform the investigation, during which the DA hired 2 pro-cop expects that supported the officers actions. I garuntee that if a civilian had did what those officers did in the Rice case, they would have been charged immediately. Finally, the aberration of Graham v Conner created a standard where fear is a legitimate reason for an officer to use deadly force and allow the very same people charge with the authority of using deadly force define its appropriateness. Because of this, we now have SWAT deployed to issue search warrants for non violent crimes, because of fear. I believe fear is not the standard that the use of deadly force should be predicated. Police believe otherwise in too many cases. So there isn’t the same type of justice. They’re two types, one for cops and one for civilians. But regardless in LE think that they are receiving the correct amount of accountability, people seeing these video and quickly discern if there were other viable options to deadly force. They see the questionable shootings, the shootings of unarmed civilians, the handicapped and the general apathy that LE displays towards it citizens and know that something is wrong with policing. I certainly can understand when mistakes are made, but the same mistakes keep occurring and if you are a minority, the mistakes come far too often. And the circle the wagon behavior that happens whenever a questionable police shooting occurs and when the system allows that behavior to continue, the system causes the public to distrust those that are supposed to assist and maintain order.

          • Robert Travis

            You are delusional. Your mind is so poisoned with misinformation you would never consider that most of it is speculation and opinion. Officers are scrutinized far more extensively by many more layers of the judicial system than you will ever realize. The feds come after them even if they are exonerated or no billed or acquitted in state courts ( example, Rodney King case). You would benefit greatly from exposing yourself to a citizen’s police academy the cops are not your enemy, you should not make yourself their’s.

          • Robert Travis

            Which of those two systems of justice did OJ get?

          • ahaz

            He got the one that lots of money and good lawyers.

          • Robert Travis

            So we’re down to the facts now and it appears money is a bigger influence than race when it comes to justice.

  9. disqus_Cimd8E3Kgz

    Retired Detective here. Question: Does this apply to “Active Shooter” situations? With the charging of Tulsa, OK Officer Shelby and her release on $50K bail, I would not blame any cop who responded, reported, then waited for a Grand Jury before making a street confrontation. Such are the times we live.

    • Anonymous

      You mean the case where they shot an unarmed man who had his hands up?

      • ssol4569

        ….and reached into his car window.

        I’ll tell you what, if a police officer tells me to show my hands and get on the ground that’s exactly what I’m going to do and I was taught that by my Dad, btw. “Do exactly what they tell you to do.”

        • Anonymous

          And reached into his car window how? How do you reach into a closed window? What was he going to do, throw the window at the cop?

          • Jim Scott

            Let’s end this debate simply. If he has obeyed LAWFUL commands he wouldn’t have been shot at all. This is the same kind of situation that killed Michael Brown. A civilian does NOT NOT NOT get to ignore the lawful orders of a police officer in the lawful performance of their duties, EVER. When you can grasp that, you can see what became of this person. Don’t resist, obey the officers, protest to the judge later. Problem solved.

    • Tom Benson

      What rules would be in effect IF the armed Perpetrator was charging @ an elected official…or a Commissioner????? I thought so!

  10. Maureen P Retting

    They came to Charlotte, to ensite a riot so they can loot, burn, steal, kill, injure, destroy. Trashy brainless parasites.
    I’m done with the news stations and news broadcasters. They are liars.

  11. Maureen P Retting

    Are u F’ing kidding me? I just said this yesterday, This is Next!! Over my Dead Body!

    • sidpits

      Try that in North Florida.One warning shot to the base of the skull.”Stop!” Bang,bang…thud.

  12. John Driskill

    The police commission is really in la-la land.

  13. Harry Ballsaq

    Only in obama’s America.
    Are these people fux’n crazy?

  14. usaok59

    What if we didn’t have ANY police? Of course the BLM people need them for a scapegoat, so that won’t work. I can’t imagine how horrible their job has become because Soros has paid people to cause trouble, and stirred up hate.

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